Thus, the empirical scientist is right that the EEG will not say that this fourth state of consciousness is more real (or is disclosing higher realities) than the other states. But neither will the EEG machine say that waking is more real than dreaming or compassion better than murder. If empirical scientists maintain that waking is more real than dreaming, or compassion better than murder, or tolerance better than bigotry, then they will likewise have to hold open the possibility that the meditative state is an opening to the Divine even more real than waking, because that is exactly what is subjectively announced in all of those cases.